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Post by Hippie Van on Jul 3, 2008 21:29:36 GMT -5
I feel like this forum needs a deep discussion to be complete.
So, I will tell a story.
Once there was a fisherman. Every day, he would go out fishing in his boat. Often, he would have to replace a broken part or board on the boat. One day, after years and years, he realized that he had finally the replaced the last original part of the ship. The question: Is it the same boat?!
If not, when did it become a different boat?!
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Post by bocaj on Jul 3, 2008 21:43:29 GMT -5
It's the original boat, but refurbished.
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Post by Hippie Van on Jul 3, 2008 22:22:42 GMT -5
But what makes it the original boat?!
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Post by bocaj on Jul 3, 2008 22:31:30 GMT -5
But what makes it the original boat?! The fact that at one point it never changed boats. The gradual change makes the final product unimportant. That is my opinion. (He never got a new boat.  ) |
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Post by Seventy2 on Jul 3, 2008 22:45:26 GMT -5
I'm in agreement. i'm sure if he put so much care into it, to make sure it was never bad off, that even tho the parts are different, it's still the boat he bought.
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Post by Hippie Van on Jul 3, 2008 23:31:11 GMT -5
So even though physically none of the parts make it the same boat, because he thinks of it as the same boat, that means it is?!
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Post by Seventy2 on Jul 3, 2008 23:35:05 GMT -5
if your brother was hit by a car, and then turned into a six million dollar man. is he still your brother?!
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Post by Hippie Van on Jul 3, 2008 23:43:12 GMT -5
Well, he would still have some of the same bits, wouldn't he?!
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Post by Seventy2 on Jul 3, 2008 23:45:40 GMT -5
for now. but as his immune system slowly failed. they'd give him someone else's blood. kidneys. heart. etc.
some people are slowly replaced, and yet they're the same person.
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Post by Arashi on Jul 4, 2008 1:51:50 GMT -5
But if not only all of his body was replaced, but also his mind and soul, then he would be a different person. But what if only his mind and body were replaced, but not his soul?! Or if his soul and body was replaced, but not his mind?! Or if his mind and his soul was replaced, but not his body?!
And I believe it's a different boat. All that suggests it is the same is mental. Physically, is shares no correlation with the original except that it may be similar or the same in structure. I can see both sides to this argument and at first I agreed with BocaJ and Byron, but then I came up with my own conclusion and am sticking with it for now.
So physically, it's a different boat. Mentally, it's the same. If that makes enough sense.
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Post by midge on Jul 4, 2008 7:34:35 GMT -5
it is only the same boat in name or context alone.
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Post by bocaj on Jul 4, 2008 13:53:27 GMT -5
THE BOAT HAS A SOOOUUUULLLLL.
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Post by Seventy2 on Jul 4, 2008 14:00:01 GMT -5
What exactly is a soul tho?! can you name the body part that if you destroy, it destroys the soul (or in this context, if you replace it replaces the soul)?! or even what scientists have deemed as the soul?!
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Post by Hippie Van on Jul 4, 2008 14:02:48 GMT -5
I don't really understand what people mean by "soul." Can anyone explain what it's supposed to be?!
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Post by Seventy2 on Jul 4, 2008 14:32:28 GMT -5
it's basically normally described as "Consciousness". as while you're sleeping, in a coma, or "brain dead" your body can still continue it's mandatory functions, ie. breathe, digest, make waste, pump blood, etc.
but there's something beyond that, that allows us to do more than just live.
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