Willicus
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Thanks, that was fun.[on:The doctor is in.][of:On call.]
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Post by Willicus on Nov 20, 2008 23:43:57 GMT -5
Sounds exciting! O:
Returning to previous topics, I play 3.5. 4.0 seems to be a bit bland. Especially since gnomes are no longer one of the base races.
Also, I concur! Let's make a DnD game in TD!
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Post by Arashi on Nov 22, 2008 4:33:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I wish they didn't remove gnomes from the base races. And it seemed really bland to me, too.
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Post by Harkovast on Nov 22, 2008 9:44:11 GMT -5
They removed gnomes?! COOL! I hate gnomes! They were pointless and lame. Gnomes are like a crappy cross between a hobbit and a dwarf. Every time someone tries to describe them in the rule books it ends up just saying how they are "like dwarves but...." For example (and most of these are straight out of the complete gnomes and halflings hand book [two races too naff to get their own hand books]) "Gnomes are like dwarves but a bit shorter" "Gnomes are like dwarves but have bigger noses" "Gnomes are like dwarves but more cheerful" "Gnomes are like dwarves but utterly crap and pointless" The only one of the original player races tolkien did not invent and they are the crappy uninteresting ones. What are the odds?! "YOU ALL OWE TOLKIEN YOUR SOULS!"
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Stain
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Li'l Brudder
I want your kids.
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Post by Stain on Nov 22, 2008 13:54:37 GMT -5
The only one of the original player races tolkien did not invent lolwut?! Even though the concept of the DnD universe was heavily influenced by the works of Tolkien, the only race that really originated from him are the halflings. The elves and dwarves use the more human-like Norse concept of said races. The orcs in DnD use a concept very similar to the ones pushed upon them by Tolkien, but nonetheless these creatures, but unbeknownst to many people the term "orc" is actually synonymous with ogre or demon. This brings to question the existence of another creature in DnD called the ogre. However, this would not be the first time DnD used synonymous terms to refer to two different monsters. (Kobolds and Goblins, for example.)
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Post by Harkovast on Nov 22, 2008 18:18:09 GMT -5
Stain, what tolkien wrote took inspiration from ancient works that came before him, however he basically defined these races and they have in no way varied from the way he laid them out. Every dwarf has a beard and an axe and lives in a mine. Every elf is a bisexual with a bow who lives in a forest. Every hobbit lives in a hole and is completely useless. To act as if Dungeons and dragons, games workshop and magic the gathering are not sucking tolkiens balls because they cant think of their own ideas is naive. The only fantasy work that doesn't rip off Lord of the Rings is World of Warcraft. (Because they ripped off games workshop for all their ideas, making them one step down the stealing from tolkien ladder. Remember, when you rip off a work of fiction, you are ripping off every work of fiction that work of fiction has ever ripped off). "AND GNOMES STILL SUCK GOAT SCROTUM!"
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Post by Arashi on Nov 23, 2008 15:32:04 GMT -5
Harkovast's previous statement no offense, Harkovast, but raffu autto raudo. It is true, though, that DnD's main influence was Tolkien, unless I am mistaken. But if you ask me, I have no problem playing something that someone could call "Lord of the Rings" if it's as dang fun as DnD. Also, I used think of gnomes as crap, then I started experimenting with them and discovered that they can be one of the most ingenuitively fun races there are. Once you start mixing things up, like making a gnome barbarian with illusion capabilities or a gnome rogue/shadowdancer/assassin with illusion capabilities, you begin to understand the hidden mechanics behind this seemingly useless race. And I've had quite some fun with my gnomes.
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Post by bocaj on Nov 23, 2008 15:52:26 GMT -5
NERDS!!
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Post by Arashi on Nov 23, 2008 22:36:24 GMT -5
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Post by Arashi on Nov 23, 2008 22:37:34 GMT -5
Let's make a DnD game in TD! Actually, expect a subforum soon.
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Post by Harkovast on Nov 24, 2008 5:34:46 GMT -5
I just dont find gnomes to have a very interesting back story or culture. If they could be described in a way that doesn't feature "like dwarves but..." I might be more interested. All the other races paint a clear and vivid picture of what they are like, to me gnomes simply don't. I am sure by the rules of the game and combining character classes in ever more unlikely ways you can make super powerful gnomes characters, but in terms of being an interesting race or culture, they are the DnD weak link. Also, in fairness, back when DnD ripped off tolkien, ripping off tolkien was in itself a fairly new idea, so they get points for coming up with that. "TOLKIEN WROTE A POST JUST LIKE BEFORE ME!"
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Post by Harkovast on Nov 24, 2008 5:41:31 GMT -5
Hang on, did someone just come onto a dungeons and dragons thread to complain about nerds?! What were you expecting?! Manly jocks discussing sports?! And to be honest, if you are going to read the opinions of people on the internet, you have to anticipate a pretty high level of nerd in general! "NERD POWER!"
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Post by Arashi on Nov 25, 2008 0:05:48 GMT -5
Yes, may power be to the nerds. I know what you mean about the dullness of the gnomes, but then I tried them out, as I said before. And in actuality, gnomes and dwarves only share similarities in physical discriptions, but as far as society, temperament, mechanics, strategy, and many other aspects go, the dwarves and the gnomes are very, very different. And concerning physical similarities, they're close to the same height and that's about it (dwarves are actually considerably larger). You could actually say that orcs are like gnomes except, as Stain put it, "big, green, and evil". Orcs are closer to dwarves in the characteristics enumerated above than gnomes are. Gnomes are just one of those poor, ignored main races, like halflings. All they wanted was a little attention!
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Post by Harkovast on Nov 25, 2008 11:52:11 GMT -5
Okay, okay, let me try and be open minded. Give me a brief description of Gnome culture and if it sounds original and interesting (and not just like dwarves or halflings) I'll accept they have some merit. If they truely are an interesting culture you should be able to win me over in at most on paragraph. "I WAIT TO BE CONVINCED!"
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Post by Harkovast on Nov 26, 2008 21:12:44 GMT -5
Okay I am going to have to assume that the failure to give me a good explanation of gnome culture means that such a description is not possible and gnomes, in fact, suck. "I WONT PLAY A LAWN ORNAMENT!"
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Post by Arashi on Nov 27, 2008 15:57:51 GMT -5
Actually, I haven't gotten a chance to get onto the computer for the last few days, that's why I haven't written a description yet. And it might have something to do with being lazy.
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